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Byzantine medieval helmets1/16/2024 ![]() ![]() Its written in mix of Venetian and Dalmatian dialects ands its sometimes quite hard ti tell what those pieces exactly are. century armory content of one city in Dalmatia. They did not have had such universal meaning.Ī good example is a list of mid XV. What poster above wishes to say as I understood it is that it is not always clear what writers meant when they used those terms. We as Tsardoms team have decidee to include lammelar armors and some people didnt liked that really. It has been pretty much endless debate so far. Other group thinks that some lammelar armor was still to some extent used. Its been a matter of debate for years here whether lammelar armor was used in 12-15 centuries or not.īasicly some people say that lammelar was not used anymore and frescoes which do show it merely copy older frescoes and do not show actual situation.Īccording to them actual armors were just as same as in Western Europe, mail and coat of plates and so on. There is also the fact the the Ottomans usually kept the looted armor pieces of their conquests in the Istambul armouries or worn them in further campaigns, and from what I know, they didn't change from their mail/plated mail armors after their conquest of greece, nor are there lamellar armor pieces in the Topkapi collections (some of the captured european plate armor pieces might have been worn by the greeks during the 15th century i guess, though I don't think there are many ways to test this possibility.)Take a look at the images below: ![]() ![]() There is also the fact the the Ottomans usually kept the looted armor pieces of their conquests in the Istambul armouries or worn them in further campaigns, and from what I know, they didn't change from their mail/plated mail armors after their conquest of greece, nor are there lamellar armor pieces in the Topkapi collections (some of the captured european plate armor pieces might have been worn by the greeks during the 15th century i guess, though I don't think there are many ways to test this possibility.)ĮDIT: Apparently the only two pieces of armor in greek museums labelled as byzantine ones are mail suits. What can we make of all these indirect clues? The more I look into them, the more confused I get.ĮDIT: Apparently the only two pieces of armor in greek museums labelled as byzantine ones are mail suits. The final indirect clue is, in my view, the fact the the Stradioti in venetian service are mentioned as having at most mail armor and a helmet, with only a few wearing a "panziere" (maybe plate belly armor). There is also the mention of the 300 burgundian soldiers sent to Emperor Constantine in 1445, which probably would bring modern plate armor with them. The instructions of Theodore Palaiologos, which suggest for the same period a combination of mail and an unspecified cuiriee (maybe a leather armor, maybe an early cuirass, it's not clear).Īnother indirect source in the painting "Saint George and the Princess", by Pisanello, which was supposedly inspired, in some details, by contemporary byzantine dress, and which depicts the saint in an archaic looking cuirass. There is also the will of the Skouterios Theodore Sarantenos that implies mail (lorikion/lorikon) as the mail armor worn by a rich cavalrymen of the same period, but again the terms are not clear (he also had a kazakan/kazagand, which supposedly also had a mail layer). Unfortunally, the fragment by Ibn Battuta is not clear enough to define what kind of armor would that be. There is some evidence that at the first half of the 14th century, the byzantines were using some kind of armor over their mails (see this discussion at reddit: ). There are some indirect clues that I've been trying to make sense of, but I still can't see the bigger picture. Thank you for your answers guys! About the byzantines, I guess we wont have good answers as long as more archeological discoveries aren't made. ![]()
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